Occur: Sunday, March 24, 2019
After we're done studying at San Pedro Cathedral about Apologetic, Doctrinal discussion, and History of the Church.
We decided to go to somewhere here in Davao to chill together with my Fellow Apologist Brothers whose age around 15-16 years old. There still young but they have this passion to learn and discover the history, doctrines, teaching of Catholic Church and how to defend it against those who attack and blaspheme the Church founded by Jesus Christ especially to explain it to those confused brethren's who don't understand there Catholic Faith.
There's this 1 time a pastor approach us
A man wearing a long sleeve polo and around 30 years old and above and he said:
"May I have you 5 minutes? I just want to ask, are you save? Or how about this. If you're going to die today are you going to heaven or hell"
What I did is I answer him and said
Yes, I'm saved but I'm still working with my Salvation.
And also with my brothers, they also answer with the same thought
"Working with our Salvation"
The pastor asks us again Because it seems like he's not satisfied with our answer because its not the typical answer he has on his script in his mind. Saying, what if you didn't follow the laws and giving some verse about adultery, drunkenness, worshiping idols and etch.
And ask us again, ARE YOU SAVE?
And I answer directly while smiling and said to him Naturally not because you said if "WE CAN'T FOLLOW " No one is saved for those who don't follow. That's why we're working with our Salvation.
And because of my answer, his smiling face crumbled because it seems like we're not following on his script but He continues preaching about Romans 6:23 and after that John 3:16 typical protestant flow to convert Catholics to leave the Church and be with them.
While the Pastor is preaching to us we listen actively to look for some words that will put him on a pit.
(SOCRATIC METHOD)
However, there's lightning struck down from heaven. and the entire space turn into a vacuum Because
The Pastor stepped on a landmine that triggers us, Apologist because He said "Blessed Virgin Mary is also sinful just like us"
and it was like an Atomic Bomb dropped over the Japanese city of Hiroshima 1945 and we with my fellow Apologist react straightforwardly to defend Blessed Virgin Mary especially About her being Immaculate Conception.
We ask him a question
I stare at him intently and said, how come that Mary is Sinful? Where in Holy Spirit won't enter if its a malicious soul or in a Body Subdued by Sin?
And I added, Jesus is Sinless and Perfect
Naturally, its Container also must be Sinless and Perfect.
And my fellow brother added A logical explanation to that is; "It's like your putting your clean food into a trash can and pick it up and eat it".
The Pastor seems to lose his composure because it seems like we know our cup of tea.
And he replies Mary is full of Grace but She is not perfect She also commit sin just like us.
My brother rebut and said Where can we read in the bible that She Commit Sin?
We even look at him with a questioning gazed; saying, for 1500 years Mary is determined as sinless.
and even Martin Luther is a devotee of Blessed Virgin Mary, you can search for it if you want.
The Pastor face turns sour his body trembled and you will see the droplets of his sweat because we're not really following his script and were giving him a hard time an always questioning with bullets/logical remarks.
Well, The pastor just skipped the topic and just stand that Mary is full of Grace but not perfect and a sinful person just like us.
and we let Him be because it's his premise, and just go with the flow, so we just let him continue and observe him while Me and my fellow Brothers having this eye contacts to trap this False Pastor who preaches at the Park to Deceive Catholics to leave the Church.
So the Pastor continues to preach saying, like if we're going to die where are we going if its Heaven or Hell? We want to rebut about Purgatory, haha but we let him continue because it's his premise and to respect him because he's older than us, just go with the flow.
So the Topic continues, however, the clouds turn dark and the place turns silent. He said a Magic Word again that make the earthquake and seas wave.
Saying; There is No Salvation if you go to Church because you can only find it if you accept Jesus Christ as your Personal Savior and after you do that, You will be saved.
And giving John 14:16 and John 3:16 that its a gift of Salvation that We should have faith to be saved.
And He said to us with confidence in his eyes and with Boasting air he said,
"I HAVE READ THE BIBLE 7 TIMES WHILE PLAYING IT AND HIS HANDS"
And it happens, we have an eye to eye contacts with my Fellow Brothers to trap this so-called Pastor hehe
because of this; it happens we decided to make our Rampage to Defend our Catholic Faith.
I stand up and stare at him intently and said, You said that there is no salvation
to Church then why you're still going and attending to your Church? Do you think it's useless?
And my fellow Brother also ask saying,
If by Faith Alone we are saved,
How come that there's a saying that Faith alone without works is dead.
Who should we believe?
And the Pastor seems to detect something because I catch him staring at me while looking at my Benedictine Crucifix.
the Pastor is losing his composure and being owned us, Youth Apologist.
He answered us in English with a British accent saying; with a boasting air have you read the Bible?
The whole context of James?
You should read it in the whole context not by picking 1 verse .. you must understand it.
and the Pastor seems to be irritated while looking to us.
He skipped my Question tho,
because we focus on the Sola Fide / Faith alone doctrine by Martin Luther 1517
As we look to him the pastor seems to be losing his self-restraint.
And we added more oil to the fire by saying,
It should be Faith + Works not faith alone because even Apostle Paul is "Working" on his Salvation with fear and trembling.
Same logic in The Arc of Noah
Noah has faith in God, but he still builds an Arc to be saved. So it should be Faith + Works.
And my 15-year-old fellow Brother added up whose silent all the time observing us
because it's his first time to experience this.
He said in a logical way, Just like in taking exams its impossible to have faith to get a perfect score if you won't study your lessons same logic it should be Faith + work.
have faith to get a perfect score but also you must do your part and study your lesson.
I commend him for his best logical example tho.
The Pastor is Losing Patience and even droplets of sweat are dropping out of his face and seem to be irritated already.
We added more oil to the fire by saying;
We can also read in Revelation that God will reward everyone according to his/her Works.
so it's very clear that its faith + work. not SOLA FIDE or Faith Alone.
After 4-5 times correction from us like demoralize tactics especially there's a lot of people listening to us and also were too young but still, He got owned.
The Pastor lose his composure and he reaches to his limits and He gave us His bible while pointing us.
with an angry tone he said;
Where can I find it? What Chapter and Verse?
And by that reaction of him, We were shocked and look at him intently as if we're looking a clown or something. and asked saying; You said you read the bible for almost 7 times and you even boast to us, How come you didn't know this?
You must know that? how come you didn't know.
And I added up saying; It seems like your lying to us and your teaching us false information.
because you didn't even know that it should be faith + works .. not alone. It seems like your deceiving us.
while staring at him intently.
The Pastor is already fallen into shame. because even the audience is looking at him with questioning gazed and the Pastor said, Just give me the verse and let me see with an angry tone.
And we reply saying; We won't give the verse ... you should know that.
and because of that, the Pastor loses his self-restraint and He Trash talks us saying; For those who reject the word of God that we preach and reject Jesus Christ a Personal Savior are heretics while pointing us 1 by 1 and walk out with tails behind his backs...
because of his remarks, we also lose our patience and also want to overtake him however thanks to that particular guy who's actually listening to us because he stopped us and give us a paper to take a survey about HIV Awareness and we happily answered it. while we're still talking about that Pastor said to us.
after we calmed down, I and my Fellow Brothers just laugh at it. We're just thinking that "We hope that False Pastor won't have sleepless nights"
We even have s chitchat to that Man because we found out that he is a Catholic and he even said to us that Its good that there are young people nowadays that defend the Catholic Faith because even himself want to study and learn it but he doesn't have time to do it. He only listens to the homilies during Mass.
And even him also aware that it should be Faith + Works not Faith alone.
That can be read in James 2:17
THE PASTOR IS MISSING IN ACTION INSIDE THE PARK
it's like a bubble that in a blink of an eye the pastor is already gone. We try to look for him but sadly he is really nowhere to be found.
Lesson for today
That Pastor only read and familiarize the Verse that fits there doctrine and ignores those verses who attack their doctrine faith alone by which originated from Martin Luther 1517
The pastor got owned by Association of Catholic Apologist (ACA) Catholic Apologist of San Pedro Cathedral by asking Dilemma questions and using Socratic Method, Logical and Biblical way.
The Pastor Run like a coward with tails behind his back and like a bubble that's gone in a blink of an eye that nowhere to be found.
Poor to those people who deceived by that man they don't know its a wolf in a sheep clothing"
The Picture above is us the 5 Youth Apologist of San Pedro Cathedral Davao City.
1. Joshua Ocido
2.Devonne Keith Obongen
3. Rj Bautista
4. Shandy Rosas
5. Carl Tristan Bantugan
Quote for the Day
"If I cannot convince them, I am happy to confuse them"
After we're done studying at San Pedro Cathedral about Apologetic, Doctrinal discussion, and History of the Church.
We decided to go to somewhere here in Davao to chill together with my Fellow Apologist Brothers whose age around 15-16 years old. There still young but they have this passion to learn and discover the history, doctrines, teaching of Catholic Church and how to defend it against those who attack and blaspheme the Church founded by Jesus Christ especially to explain it to those confused brethren's who don't understand there Catholic Faith.
There's this 1 time a pastor approach us
A man wearing a long sleeve polo and around 30 years old and above and he said:
"May I have you 5 minutes? I just want to ask, are you save? Or how about this. If you're going to die today are you going to heaven or hell"
What I did is I answer him and said
Yes, I'm saved but I'm still working with my Salvation.
And also with my brothers, they also answer with the same thought
"Working with our Salvation"
The pastor asks us again Because it seems like he's not satisfied with our answer because its not the typical answer he has on his script in his mind. Saying, what if you didn't follow the laws and giving some verse about adultery, drunkenness, worshiping idols and etch.
And ask us again, ARE YOU SAVE?
And I answer directly while smiling and said to him Naturally not because you said if "WE CAN'T FOLLOW " No one is saved for those who don't follow. That's why we're working with our Salvation.
And because of my answer, his smiling face crumbled because it seems like we're not following on his script but He continues preaching about Romans 6:23 and after that John 3:16 typical protestant flow to convert Catholics to leave the Church and be with them.
While the Pastor is preaching to us we listen actively to look for some words that will put him on a pit.
(SOCRATIC METHOD)
However, there's lightning struck down from heaven. and the entire space turn into a vacuum Because
The Pastor stepped on a landmine that triggers us, Apologist because He said "Blessed Virgin Mary is also sinful just like us"
and it was like an Atomic Bomb dropped over the Japanese city of Hiroshima 1945 and we with my fellow Apologist react straightforwardly to defend Blessed Virgin Mary especially About her being Immaculate Conception.
We ask him a question
I stare at him intently and said, how come that Mary is Sinful? Where in Holy Spirit won't enter if its a malicious soul or in a Body Subdued by Sin?
And I added, Jesus is Sinless and Perfect
Naturally, its Container also must be Sinless and Perfect.
And my fellow brother added A logical explanation to that is; "It's like your putting your clean food into a trash can and pick it up and eat it".
The Pastor seems to lose his composure because it seems like we know our cup of tea.
And he replies Mary is full of Grace but She is not perfect She also commit sin just like us.
My brother rebut and said Where can we read in the bible that She Commit Sin?
We even look at him with a questioning gazed; saying, for 1500 years Mary is determined as sinless.
and even Martin Luther is a devotee of Blessed Virgin Mary, you can search for it if you want.
The Pastor face turns sour his body trembled and you will see the droplets of his sweat because we're not really following his script and were giving him a hard time an always questioning with bullets/logical remarks.
Well, The pastor just skipped the topic and just stand that Mary is full of Grace but not perfect and a sinful person just like us.
and we let Him be because it's his premise, and just go with the flow, so we just let him continue and observe him while Me and my fellow Brothers having this eye contacts to trap this False Pastor who preaches at the Park to Deceive Catholics to leave the Church.
So the Pastor continues to preach saying, like if we're going to die where are we going if its Heaven or Hell? We want to rebut about Purgatory, haha but we let him continue because it's his premise and to respect him because he's older than us, just go with the flow.
So the Topic continues, however, the clouds turn dark and the place turns silent. He said a Magic Word again that make the earthquake and seas wave.
Saying; There is No Salvation if you go to Church because you can only find it if you accept Jesus Christ as your Personal Savior and after you do that, You will be saved.
And giving John 14:16 and John 3:16 that its a gift of Salvation that We should have faith to be saved.
And He said to us with confidence in his eyes and with Boasting air he said,
"I HAVE READ THE BIBLE 7 TIMES WHILE PLAYING IT AND HIS HANDS"
And it happens, we have an eye to eye contacts with my Fellow Brothers to trap this so-called Pastor hehe
because of this; it happens we decided to make our Rampage to Defend our Catholic Faith.
I stand up and stare at him intently and said, You said that there is no salvation
to Church then why you're still going and attending to your Church? Do you think it's useless?
And my fellow Brother also ask saying,
If by Faith Alone we are saved,
How come that there's a saying that Faith alone without works is dead.
Who should we believe?
And the Pastor seems to detect something because I catch him staring at me while looking at my Benedictine Crucifix.
the Pastor is losing his composure and being owned us, Youth Apologist.
He answered us in English with a British accent saying; with a boasting air have you read the Bible?
The whole context of James?
You should read it in the whole context not by picking 1 verse .. you must understand it.
and the Pastor seems to be irritated while looking to us.
He skipped my Question tho,
because we focus on the Sola Fide / Faith alone doctrine by Martin Luther 1517
As we look to him the pastor seems to be losing his self-restraint.
And we added more oil to the fire by saying,
It should be Faith + Works not faith alone because even Apostle Paul is "Working" on his Salvation with fear and trembling.
Same logic in The Arc of Noah
Noah has faith in God, but he still builds an Arc to be saved. So it should be Faith + Works.
And my 15-year-old fellow Brother added up whose silent all the time observing us
because it's his first time to experience this.
He said in a logical way, Just like in taking exams its impossible to have faith to get a perfect score if you won't study your lessons same logic it should be Faith + work.
have faith to get a perfect score but also you must do your part and study your lesson.
I commend him for his best logical example tho.
The Pastor is Losing Patience and even droplets of sweat are dropping out of his face and seem to be irritated already.
We added more oil to the fire by saying;
We can also read in Revelation that God will reward everyone according to his/her Works.
so it's very clear that its faith + work. not SOLA FIDE or Faith Alone.
After 4-5 times correction from us like demoralize tactics especially there's a lot of people listening to us and also were too young but still, He got owned.
The Pastor lose his composure and he reaches to his limits and He gave us His bible while pointing us.
with an angry tone he said;
Where can I find it? What Chapter and Verse?
And by that reaction of him, We were shocked and look at him intently as if we're looking a clown or something. and asked saying; You said you read the bible for almost 7 times and you even boast to us, How come you didn't know this?
You must know that? how come you didn't know.
And I added up saying; It seems like your lying to us and your teaching us false information.
because you didn't even know that it should be faith + works .. not alone. It seems like your deceiving us.
while staring at him intently.
The Pastor is already fallen into shame. because even the audience is looking at him with questioning gazed and the Pastor said, Just give me the verse and let me see with an angry tone.
And we reply saying; We won't give the verse ... you should know that.
and because of that, the Pastor loses his self-restraint and He Trash talks us saying; For those who reject the word of God that we preach and reject Jesus Christ a Personal Savior are heretics while pointing us 1 by 1 and walk out with tails behind his backs...
because of his remarks, we also lose our patience and also want to overtake him however thanks to that particular guy who's actually listening to us because he stopped us and give us a paper to take a survey about HIV Awareness and we happily answered it. while we're still talking about that Pastor said to us.
after we calmed down, I and my Fellow Brothers just laugh at it. We're just thinking that "We hope that False Pastor won't have sleepless nights"
We even have s chitchat to that Man because we found out that he is a Catholic and he even said to us that Its good that there are young people nowadays that defend the Catholic Faith because even himself want to study and learn it but he doesn't have time to do it. He only listens to the homilies during Mass.
And even him also aware that it should be Faith + Works not Faith alone.
That can be read in James 2:17
THE PASTOR IS MISSING IN ACTION INSIDE THE PARK
it's like a bubble that in a blink of an eye the pastor is already gone. We try to look for him but sadly he is really nowhere to be found.
Lesson for today
That Pastor only read and familiarize the Verse that fits there doctrine and ignores those verses who attack their doctrine faith alone by which originated from Martin Luther 1517
The pastor got owned by Association of Catholic Apologist (ACA) Catholic Apologist of San Pedro Cathedral by asking Dilemma questions and using Socratic Method, Logical and Biblical way.
The Pastor Run like a coward with tails behind his back and like a bubble that's gone in a blink of an eye that nowhere to be found.
Poor to those people who deceived by that man they don't know its a wolf in a sheep clothing"
The Picture above is us the 5 Youth Apologist of San Pedro Cathedral Davao City.
1. Joshua Ocido
2.Devonne Keith Obongen
3. Rj Bautista
4. Shandy Rosas
5. Carl Tristan Bantugan
Quote for the Day
"If I cannot convince them, I am happy to confuse them"
